I have been reading Joan
Peterson's blog Common
Gunsense for a few months, and like many pro-rights people I have
wondered where she stands on particular issues. Others
have tried to explain what Joan believes, as well. This is
sometimes hard to discern from her rather preachy articles, but her
replies to comments are often very illuminating. I have to
mention that she is quite articulate in her beliefs, and despite the
comments of people on her blog, has been consistent and
uncompromising. In the following paragraphs I paraphrase her
positions as I have come to understand them from reading her blog,
and then include my comments. Let us begin:
Joan
Peterson supports a ban on standard capacity magazines, and wants to
limit magazine capacity.
Joan
Peterson supports restriction of firearms ownership rights of felons
and mentally ill.
Joan
Peterson supports a ban on certain types of assault weapon,
particularly the AK-47, the weapon in question in this URL.
- She seems to
support a ban on new purchases, with non-transferable ownership
right for owners of newly banned weapons upon a new law going into
effect.
These positions are
supported by this
post:
"More
importantly here is that we should be restricing high capacity
magazines and we should also restrict access to guns for people like
this in any and all ways we can. We should also reconsider a ban on
certain types of assault weapons. It would take a while to get them
off the streets, but eventually, we may be able to have some sanity
in our country regarding guns."
I fully support point
number 2, and it is the law today that felons and mentally ill
individuals cannot buy firearms. But with so many firearms in
circulation, and private party sales not requiring background checks,
prohibited people can still legitimately purchase firearms.
Joan
Peterson believes that more guns necessarily result in more guns
deaths.
Joan
Peterson believes that guns should be properly and safely secured
against theft and accidental use.
Joan
Peterson does not believe that a gun ban is legally possible.
- Joan Peterson
believes that gun confiscation was never an option.
These positions are
supported by this
post, emphasis added:
"I
believe that more guns = more gun deaths. That is my personal
belief and that of a lot of folks who work to prevent gun violence.
We want guns out of the hands of those who should not have them. We
want those of you who have them to make sure they are safe and
strored so they are not stolen which is where most of the crime guns
come from. Our belief does not translate into what is a possible or
probable action. Banning guns is off the table after the 2 Supreme
Court rulings. Confiscating guns was never on the table. Life is
what it is. There are a lot of guns out there- too many in my
estimation. I know I can't do much about that except to raise
awareness and get you guys to admit that there a few simple and
common sense things we can do together to stem the tide of gun
violence. You guys know perfectly well what I propose and you keep
asking as if I have never answered the question. I call that
harassment. It won't work. Ask me something you don't know the answer
to and maybe you will get an answer. But please do not keep asking
what I propose and please do not keep saying I want your guns. That
is folly on your part. It is a useless line of argument and
discussion."
And by
this
post, emphasis added:
"Keep
observing as I know you will. You
will not see me suggesting a national plan to disarm citizens.
Again- take it easy out there. Your life will be a lot less
stressful. "
I do not believe that
point 1 is true, but I would be hard pressed to find definitive
statistics to prove it. No responsible gun owner could possible
disagree with point 2, in my opinion, if for no other reason than
guns are valuable property. Point 3 assures us that Joan
Peterson understands the legal reality in the post-Heller
United States, no matter what her personal feelings on the matter
are, but I'd bet she thinks that a renewed Assault Weapon Ban would
be constitutional. I think there is a solid argument to the
contrary, but that issue will only be taken up if such a law is
passed. On point 4, however, that might have been true for the people
Joan Peterson knows in the anti-rights community, but
it is not true of all:
Feinstein
said on CBS-TV's 60
Minutes, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes
in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up
every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all
in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't
here."[22]
So Joan Peterson is
incorrect claiming that gun confiscation was never an objective of
the anti-gun political community. They simply lost that
argument years ago.
Joan
Peterson wants to limit guns that allowed to be used in self
defense, and believes that she and her allied organizations
are best suited to determine those limits.
- Joan Peterson does
not understand "gun culture", and is frightened by people
who live within the gun culture.
These points are supported by
this
post, emphasis added:
"I was,
and still am, in favor of banning certain types of assault weapons
similar to those banned in the previous AWB. When you guys talk about
banning guns, you appear to be saying that we would ban ALL guns. I'm
sure you know that is not true. My desire to have zero gun deaths is
an aspirational goal. One must have goals. My goal is not to ban all
of your guns. Some
guns, to me and those with whom I work, are guns that should not be
available to the average citizen. They were not meant to be used for
hunting or self defense.
Those are the ones we think should not be in the market place. But
given that that is unlikely to happen, if you MUST have those guns
because you perceive them to be necessary for whatever reason that
would be, having fewer rounds to shoot from them is only sensible.
You just plain
do not need to shoot off a lot of rounds for self defense. On
the face of it, it makes no sense to most people. Many who are gun
owners are hunters who only own hunting guns and they are not
interested in the least in the type of military style weapons some of
you collect or claim to need. These folks would never consider large
capacity magazines. It is a minority of you who feel this way. Gun
owners are a diverse group. Many of them happen to agree with me and
that has been shown in most polling over many years so it is not a
one time response. So,
I do want to ban magazines of greater than 10 or 11 rounds. That is
true. I support the McCarthy bill. You
knew that, though. I have never said I would try to ban guns other
than those that I have mentioned above. It will never happen plain
and simply. Even if I did believe that, it would just never happen,
so why try? I don't like all of the guns out there and don't find
them to be necessary personally except for hunting and some for self
defense. I'm just not into guns like you guys are. We
live in 2 distinct cultures. We are trying to understand this but it
sure is difficult, right? I see the enthusiasm at gun shows. I see
all the people who like to look at and buy guns there. That is just a
culture so foreign to me that it makes me uncomfortable.
Truly, I do not know anyone who feels as you guys do and I know a lot
of people from many walks of life. I know a lot of gun owners, by the
way, and I have written their views. They represent the views of the
majority of gun owners."
I think Joan Peterson's desire to limit the defensive
capabilities of firearms allowed to citizens stems from her fear of
the "gun guys". It is natural to fear what one does
not understand, as it is to mistrust those whom you fear. But
excuse me, I will not acquiesce to limits on my self defense weapon
choices based on Joan Peterson's fears, and the actions of felons who
can't be trusted outside of prison, let alone in possession of
firearms.
I will agree that in society that some kind of compromise must be
made. Here is my suggestion: Non-law enforcement citizens
should be allowed to possess and carry in public any weapon a law
enforcement officer is allowed to carry, and law enforcement officers
should be limited to weapons that citizens are allowed to possess.
Police are
not the military, and I am disturbed by the
apparent militarization of police agencies and the increasing use of
tactical squads to serve no-knock warrants in circumstances that do
not seem to justify such force. Police are not a special class
of individuals in society: they are citizens with special duties and
responsibilities, but the citizen is, or should be, sovereign.
- Joan Peterson thinks that public schools should have no role
in teaching about firearm safety.
This point is supported by
this
post, emphasis added:
"You
guys have talked about this before. It's just not going to happen. As
you know, our schools are having lots of budget cuts and teachers
have a heck of time getting in the required subject matter as it is.
To think a teacher would now teach gun safety is a non starter.
I think you all should abandon that idea since it just isn't going to
happen. Not to mention that people like me would show up at School
Board meetings and lobby heavily against it. And I would get a
lot of people to that meeting. Since I used to be on the School
Board, I know how those things work."
But schools are used to
teach about safety all the time, especially driving safety, but I
guess automobiles are non-threatening enough to not scare folks.
Granted, her point about teacher work loads and budget cuts are
spot-on, but I think it is telling that she could muster a LOT of
opposition from parents opposing firearms safety training because
most parents are ignorant, and therefore fearful, about guns.
However, this is an
issue that is being discussed in some school districts in the U.S.
Virginia
has passed legislation that requires the state board of education
to design course materials to teach firearm safety in elementary
schools. Arizona has designed
a high school course that actually requires students to fire one
shot safely at a target. This law was signed by then-Governor
Janet Napolitano, currently the the Secretary of the Department of
Homeland Security in the Obama Administration. Ironic.
- Joan Peterson is
most definitely against carrying guns in public for self defense.
- Joan Peterson opposes shall-issue carry permit laws.
This post
supports the previous point, emphasis added:
“This is the
problem with many of our state's permit to carry laws. There was a
reason that permits used to be "may issue". Sheriffs and
local Police Chiefs understood that there were some people in their
communities who would put themselves or others at risks if they were
allowed to get a permit to carry or purchase. They screened
applicants more carefully and had the good judgement to deny some
folks permits. Now
most states have "shall issue" permit laws making it more
difficult to deny permits. ”
And
this
post:
"Yes,
indeed, to err is human. We try as a society to make sure those
errors don't result in death. We can't stop them all but we sure
should try. But when more deadly weapons are owned and carried by
gun owners, making an error can result in tragedy. That is why there
shouldn't be so many guns in so many public places where errors can
happen. "
This is practically the
theme of Joan's blog, every article, and every comment she writes.
She knows that she cannot do anything about guns in private homes,
but she does not believe that guns in public have any social utility.
I will grant her
one point, however. She posts many examples of people acting
stupidly with firearms, with deadly results. To me, this is a
good argument for training, perhaps government mandated training, but
that is a thorny constitutional issue still to be worked out. And I
can cite just as many
cases
of firearms
used successfully in self defense as Joan can cite of firearms
stupidly mishandled.
But that is not really
her argument. She is adamant that her goal is to reduce gun
deaths, and obviously eliminating guns from some aspect of society,
guns deaths would be eliminated. No guns, no gun deaths.
So any citation
of the many
studies
that have been published
enumerating
the social utility of
firearms
falls
of deaf ears.
And she overlooks, or
agrees with, the abuse “may-issue” permit laws perpetrated by law
enforcement agencies that deny all people carry permits, except those
that are somehow “special”, like well connected celebrities,
businessmen, and “friends of the sheriff” who have recently made
large campaign contributions. These practices, rampant in urban
California, make a mockery of “screened applicants” and “good
judgement”. Hence the nationwide wave of shall-issue carry permit
laws, taking the power of discretion away from the authorities who
abused the trust or the citizens.
- Joan Peterson makes no distinction between acts of violence
and the object used to commit the act.
- Joan Peterson is not really interested in thoughtful
discussion of 2nd Amendment rights.
This point is supported
this
post, emphasis added:
"Good for
you, Paul. Knives and guns do actually kill people- the wounds from a
knife and the injuries from the bullets coming from the gun kill. I
know because 3 bullets killed my sister. It's a matter of
semantics but it makes absolutely no difference to the outcome
whether or not a gun or the person with the gun killed someone.
To me it didn't matter. I just knew that a gun took my sister's
life."
This is Joan's ultimate motivation. All of her positions stem
from the murder of her sister, and this also explains her absolutely
uncompromising stand on her beliefs. It should be no surprise that
she ultimately
wrote
this:
“After
careful thought and reflection about the direction my blog has taken
since I asked questions and got answers from the "gun guys",
I have changed the purpose of my blog. As stated in my last post, I
have found that most of the comments were just not getting the two
sides of this volatile issue to a place where a thoughtful discussion
could take place. Though the title of my blog indicates that I
would like to have a discussion, I am not sure that is possible “
which displays her fundamental ignorance and intolerance. Joan
Peterson is not really interested in “thoughtful discussion” when
that discussion does not agree with her views. She cannot get over
her sisters death, will not compromise her view that the availability
of guns in public should be curtailed, and can be no more swayed by
the counter arguments of those who post on her blog then we can be by
her articles. The disagreement is one of fundamental world views,
and cannot be bridged.
- Joan Peterson sometimes writes really stupid stuff.
This point is supported by
this
post, emphasis added:
"The
"bust" pictures? Hand grenades and RPGs are sold at gun
shows all over the country. They could be sold by private sellers
who may or may not require background checks. "
which sounds as if she is claiming that military grade weapons are
routinely sold a gun shows, but then she adds this:
"It looks
like some hand grenades are for sale on-line:
http://www.shopping.com/hand%20grenades/products~NS-1~linkin_id-8013490~cid-59079801511"
Her readers jump all over that, of course, causing her to
backpedal a bit:
"Thanks
for all of your comments about grenades, most of which are not
published here. I am aware that the grenades sold on-line or
sometimes at gun shows, which they have been, are the casings without
the explosives needed to make them a dangerous weapon. "he
grenade casings or shells when they are configured into an inert
format are not illegal to possess or to be sold. They become an
illegal dangerous weapon when they are reconfigured to make them
active or when a suspect purports as a form of intimidation that the
device will explode or purports for sell that the device can explode
or fragment." from: http://www.azdps.gov/Media/News/View/?p=135.
So the problem with having these type of "grenades"
available is that they could be made into devices that can explode
and cause serious damage. One wonders why the casings are even for
sale anywhere. "
So, they are not real grenades after all, but that really does not
matter. Joan does not like them, they make her scared, so they
should be banned. Gosh, maybe she will go after lengths of pipe
next?
While I continue to
read Common Gunsense, I
do so less often, and I have stopped posting comments to her
articles. I feel that I thoroughly understand her positions and I
believe that she is not really interested in what the pro-rights
community has to say. She is only interested in preaching to us,
while those that still post comments are trying to convince her that
she is utterly wrong. A pointless exercise for the reasons I list
above. The “debate” on Common Gunsense is at an impasse, and has
been for a long time, so reading the site has become quite tiresome.
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Updated: 9/26/2011
"I believe there is a difference between someone carrying a loaded gun on
their hip in a public place and a group of unarmed people rallying."
In other words Joan Peterson does not believe that the 2nd Amendment protects a
civil right to be armed in public. As a strict matter of constitutional
law, she is right at this time, but I am optimistic that the Supreme
Court will find in favor or carry some time on the next couple of years.
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Updates: 9/27/2011
"You guys don't care about anything except your selfish desire to carry
your toys with you wherever you go. It's the law. The public doesn't
even know what's in that law and would find it disconcerting to see you
walking around with your holstered gun as you love to do. Just like the
public at the zoo in Indiana. And when the legislators who voted in
favor of the bill realized what it meant, they started to change their
minds. But keep carrying your guns, Bryan. I'm sure everyone will think
it's just wonderful to see a guy with a loaded holstered gun strutting
around in their communities. It's a great sight- so friendly and
peaceful."
This post says it all: the desire to be armed for self defense is "selfish", and we are demeaned as childish for wanting our "toys" where ever we go. And of course the public must have been somehow hoodwinked into voting in favor of permissive carry laws because there is just no
common sense in the idea of carrying firearms in public. And what Joan is really objecting to about the Indiana incident is the new state law preempting local gun ordinances.
The individual in question was not breaking any law, but just making zoo patrons, and Joan,
uncomfortable. To Joan, we are not citizens exercising rights, we are "strutting" around, purposely creating a disturbance.