tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post2930951635199031181..comments2024-02-21T00:15:43.468-08:00Comments on Left Coast Conservative: AB 962 - Internet Ammunition Sales to be Made Illegal?Left Coast Conservativehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05125102691834528348noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-78697536090795434362010-03-20T02:00:15.632-07:002010-03-20T02:00:15.632-07:00The problem with having to give up our finger prin...The problem with having to give up our finger print every time we want to buy a product, is that we, the law abiding citizens, are getting treated like criminals.<br /><br />"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow... For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding." - Jeff Snyder<br /><br />Furthermore, the whole thing of "if it saves one life...", if you are really that concerned about saving lives, then lets outlaw cars, the biggest killer in the country. We could also get rid of the 4th amendment, that way the police can search every home for illegal activity whenever they want. And let’s not forget the 5th amendment! We could also get rid of the 14th amendment and that whole due process thing; we would be able to get the criminals in jail that much faster and not have to worry about judges, juries, lawyers…fairness. <br /><br />As Benjamin Franklin said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."<br /><br />And if passing laws to make it harder to obtain certain items, or making them illegal altogether, creates a safer more crime free world, then why don't we make murder, rape and narcotics illegal; look at all the lives we would save there. What? Those things are already illegal? Damn, laws are perfect and work wonderfully to prevent people that are determined to do bad things, from doing bad things.<br /><br />One final quote and I'll leave you all be.<br /><br />"Dangerous laws created by well intentioned people today can be used by dangerous people with evil intentions tomorrow.” <br />Alan EppersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-90332386149619316152010-02-10T13:26:14.596-08:002010-02-10T13:26:14.596-08:00if you are a law abiding citizen why do you really...if you are a law abiding citizen why do you really care if they ask for your thumbprint, they got it when they sold you the gun...if it deters 1 person from getting ammo that may use it in a crime then it has done it's jobTheReverendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04573104073305900625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-7727121688711445982009-10-21T10:12:21.171-07:002009-10-21T10:12:21.171-07:00Really Artdyke? I doubt it because you never pract...Really Artdyke? I doubt it because you never practice. How do I know? Because you never run out of ammo. I shoot 200 to 250 rounds a week. In different calibers. How am I supposed to do that when I am limited to 50 rounds a month? You are a state Troll or just a phoney.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-28318216901888839642009-10-20T09:19:44.765-07:002009-10-20T09:19:44.765-07:00Just another useless, pro-state troll.
...who can...<i>Just another useless, pro-state troll.</i><br /><br />...who can probably shoot better than you. Please.artdykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08904255906344359358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-16210000002107085672009-10-20T08:12:18.994-07:002009-10-20T08:12:18.994-07:00artdyke said...
Look, I am definitely pro-gun-rig...<i>artdyke said...</i><br /><br /><i>Look, I am definitely pro-gun-rights, but you guys are just making us look paranoid. </i><br /><br />Just another useless, pro-state troll.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09991410496107221875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-57142228054700698522009-10-19T14:52:06.351-07:002009-10-19T14:52:06.351-07:00Thank the Retardicans who allowed this to happen. ...Thank the Retardicans who allowed this to happen. De Leon may have authored the bill, but it was the Retardicans who approved it. Oh, who approved the assault rifle ban in Ca? Davis? No Wilson. Who raised taxes in Ca? Davis? No, Wilson, Deukmejian and Schwarzenegger. Who singned to law A.B. 962? Wait, Davis was impeached. The Brady Bill? Seems like the Republican Party has been taken over by a bunch of Retards, and you people voted for them.Prog Talkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13344074987768372916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-4430077551232397492009-10-13T18:05:46.045-07:002009-10-13T18:05:46.045-07:00Well its here! Now what? There is a law enforcem...Well its here! Now what? There is a law enforcement exception. Just have your friend the cop buy you some ammo.Doug and Cindyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16116122697763666419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-49909963143937130422009-10-13T09:20:12.339-07:002009-10-13T09:20:12.339-07:00Does anyone have any tar and feathers?Does anyone have any tar and feathers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-31585094702462925162009-10-13T08:52:31.434-07:002009-10-13T08:52:31.434-07:00Those of us living in the free states offer our co...Those of us living in the free states offer our condolences. This bill is garbage and you should all be infuriated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-55512086641972867502009-10-12T18:51:51.522-07:002009-10-12T18:51:51.522-07:00First I am pissted at the spineless moron who wrot...First I am pissted at the spineless moron who wrote the bill. Second Arnold just showed what type of sheep he really is. Us folks who live in rural areas, will have a snow balls chance in hell finding any ammo once we drive an hour to the closest gun store. AB 962 should be rolled up real tight and shoved up the authors backside.<br />All mail order including reloading components now illegal... BS!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-24117993452047628782009-10-12T17:46:00.009-07:002009-10-12T17:46:00.009-07:00Why don't these moronic liberal legislators wo...Why don't these moronic liberal legislators work on fixing REAL California problems like, oh, maybe the BUDGET and water for production of food instead of hacking away at our rights.<br /><br />The Govenator should not be allowed to affiliate himself with the Republican party or conservatives after his shameful act of signing AB 962.<br /><br />Color me TOTALLY DISGUSTED!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-16823892041956460722009-10-10T08:54:35.925-07:002009-10-10T08:54:35.925-07:00How about capital punishment for those who use gun...How about capital punishment for those who use guns in a crime? Wouldn't that stop gun violence and allow me, to still have the freedom my forefathers died for?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02196695561202741109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-5622927590142231482009-10-09T20:38:47.123-07:002009-10-09T20:38:47.123-07:00What is going on limiting sales of ammunition to 5...What is going on limiting sales of ammunition to 50 rnds. per month. I mean come on how many rnds. does it take to kill someone. 1,2, or possibly 3. It sounds like a Black market will open up, selling amunition to people willing to buy withing the state, state to state, or even reloads, which in the future could be worth a small fortune. THINK ABOUT IT ARNOLD, DO ONE THING RIGHT IN YOUR OFFICE AS A SWARN REPUBLICAN!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br /><br /> HEAR THIS MY FRENDS FOR IT IS TRUE!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-70507920888912682332009-10-09T07:54:20.602-07:002009-10-09T07:54:20.602-07:00Don't ban firearms. Legalize some of the narc...Don't ban firearms. Legalize some of the narcotics that fuel the illegal drug trade and finance the violence. During Prohibition, Al Capone funded a criminal empire with black-market alcohol. Alcohol is legal now, and it funds little (if any) organized crime, and produces big tax revenue. Lucky that the idiots who promoted prohibition couldn't sell the argument that Prohibition wasn't the cause of the violence, it was access to firearms that produced the likes of Al Copone. The earlier post was right on: Small illegal narcotics trade in Canada - Low Crime; Big illegal narcotics trade in Mexico - High Crime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-33782545615639994712009-10-07T22:12:44.830-07:002009-10-07T22:12:44.830-07:00As i always say you want to see what happens to cr...As i always say you want to see what happens to crime when you do not make so many gun laws, look to Texas! just about everyone carry's out there and there crime rate is nothing like Cali's, if you didnt get the point yet its simple, if you think i am armed your probly not gonna shoot at me or hold me up since i might just shoot back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-6870943435924794032009-10-07T07:46:30.932-07:002009-10-07T07:46:30.932-07:00In the case of the California legislature, the par...In the case of the California legislature, the paranoia is justified. They aren't interested in reasonable gun laws (even though they call every one they propose "reasonable"). Case in point: The ban on 50 caliber rifles, even though there is no record of a 50 caliber rifle being used in a violent crime. What was the benefit of this law? Look, we reduced the level of crime with 50 caliber rifles from zero, to....er....zero. When was the last time anybody held up a liquor store with an elephant gun? But that didn't stop the inane propaganda in the media regarding terrorists shooting at planes (yeh, like this law will keep Osama from getting big guns), shooting at police (never happened), etc. The same nitwits who crafted this anti-gun drivel are at it again. If they were reasonable, I wouldn't be so worried.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-80626239536492119812009-10-07T07:37:24.078-07:002009-10-07T07:37:24.078-07:00The pro-ammo-restriction arguments seem to go like...The pro-ammo-restriction arguments seem to go like this: IF it could reduce crime, then gun owners should be willing to make the small sacrafice of limitations on their ammo availability. My attitude is [1] the proposed law must FIRST demonstrate that it WILL provide the benefit claimed [2] ONLY THEN do we move on to the discussion of costs and problems imposed on gun owners. There is NO credible evidence (other than histrionic anti-gun propaganda) that the ammo restrictions will reduce crime. I don't even want to discuss how much of a problem it is to have my access to ammo restricted until it can be shown that there is something to be gained. Even a small sacrifice is not justified in this case - and the magnitude of that sacrifice is arguable as well, since most of those against firearms ownership don't really care and will soft-peddle the impact on gun owners of any restrictions as no big deal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-1375680793571607762009-10-04T20:00:31.266-07:002009-10-04T20:00:31.266-07:00ok, the 50 round limit is some bullshit. This shou...ok, the 50 round limit is some bullshit. This should definitely be emphasized.artdykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08904255906344359358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-70463116219769617002009-10-04T18:56:56.842-07:002009-10-04T18:56:56.842-07:00The problem with AB962 is that it will also limit ...The problem with AB962 is that it will also limit you to 50 rounds a month (unless this provision was dropped at the last minute). I don't expect that this would harm a person who just wants enough for protection or harm the criminal who just wants to rob a few places a month. Who it will hurt is anyone who does any type of shooting competition. An average shooting match will consume about 150 rounds. The matches in my shooting sport are monthly. The 50 round limit might cut me short a bit.It will also severely hamper a new gun owner from practicing to become safe (I thought we wanted that). In short, I don't mind gun laws that actually target the criminal misuse of a firearm. I do mind laws that seen to target and harass the average honest citizen shooter. ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-18603761025506363142009-10-03T13:00:35.132-07:002009-10-03T13:00:35.132-07:00The last comments don't appear paranoid to me,...The last comments don't appear paranoid to me, it's the status quo. If you call your local big 5, you will most likely be told that the ammo is sold out, I was but was able to get ammo within the week from another store (restricted to 50 rounds because of supply). In the case of the Wii, that is a single sourced product (Nintendo) that for a short time on release had a very large demand. Ammo has many suppliers even at a single internet site but allow a much wider search of suppliers which is it's appeal for both legitimate and criminal parties. As mentioned before, internet sales, because of the nature of the contents, already require a presentation of a drivers licence or ID to verify age (maybe not identity) but in either case, I think the point was relevant, its redundant and ineffective regulation. A far better way would be a criminal database for violent crimes offenders which would be required to be checked for all sales in CA (even internet), which they are saying might happen. That should be the target of the bill, not a by-product of it. But the law makers are not targeting criminals and I think that's why many people are upset. I would propose that similar restrictions for felons (as far as guns go) be applied to all violent crimes perps, even domestic abuse cases. Many people seem upset because our politicians these days are not coming up with ideas that apply critical thinking to solve the problems and the rest of us cant practically do it for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-24668774380868549492009-10-03T12:17:41.463-07:002009-10-03T12:17:41.463-07:00Look, I am definitely pro-gun-rights, but you guys...Look, I am definitely pro-gun-rights, but you guys are just making us look paranoid. I have lived an hour from town, but you know what? I can't imagine any scenario in which I would go through all my ammo before I'd be able to take another trip to the store. Let's be realistic. And internet suppliers are just as prone to running out of stock for high-demand products as brick-and-morter stores are (just ask anyone who tried to buy a Nintendo Wii during the first year it was out). In any case, the slippery slope is a logical fallacy, and I don't feel threatened by having to show my friggin driver's license to buy ammo. I think we'd get further in the cultural debate on this issue if we were all a little less knee-jerk about things that don't *actually* abridge our rights.artdykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08904255906344359358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-14344168403747779312009-10-03T12:01:22.925-07:002009-10-03T12:01:22.925-07:00In response to, "Is it really that big of a d...In response to, "Is it really that big of a deal to drive to the store to buy ammo?" You obviously haven't been to a gun store lately for ammo. They are quickly running out of ammo from all the people trying to stock up anticipating this bill. Also, requiring businesses to be licensed, currently there is no licencing process which leaves a large grey area in legality for businesses currently selling ammo. In one extreme scenario, this bill has the potential to cut off ammunition ownership completely in CA (depending on licencing requirements), and in a more realistic scenario, you will be waiting at least 2-3 weeks before you can buy ammo because of the demand, that is the situation already for the most common types of ammo and why internet sales are so important in this. Internet sales allows people to buy ammo even when the local stores are sold out (which they are). More to the point, all ammunition sales over the internet already require a +18 or +21 (depending on the type of ammo) signature on delivery and cannot be left on a porch, it is already a face to face transaction. It is a sneaky and redundant way to "abridge our gun rights" which we certainly could do without especially with our budget the way it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-11801487591923297732009-10-03T01:55:31.484-07:002009-10-03T01:55:31.484-07:00If all law abiding citizens were allowed to carry ...If all law abiding citizens were allowed to carry guns then crime would drop significantly. People in cities think its no big deal to drive to the store to get ammo, what about those who live in the mountains? The ones who are lucky if they can drive to town once a month? If your son had a CCW he might still be here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-76437428546914853072009-10-02T15:17:17.567-07:002009-10-02T15:17:17.567-07:00These folks did a bang up job (pardon the pun) sum...These folks did a bang up job (pardon the pun) summarizing the effects of gun control legislation. Bottom line, you can't legislate away criminal behavior or gun-violence. It has been tried ad naseum over and over again, it does not work:<br /><br />http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.aspAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3504152389298899975.post-15349112002201417082009-10-02T09:35:58.398-07:002009-10-02T09:35:58.398-07:00I don't understand what there is to be against...I don't understand what there is to be against in this bill. Is it really that big of a deal to drive to the store to buy ammo? Sure you can debate how effective this will be at helping control ammo sales and prosecuting crime, but the bottom line is, does it really abridge our gun rights? Apparently not: all you have to do is present a driver's license, and you can still buy all the ammo you want, so why be against it?artdykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08904255906344359358noreply@blogger.com